Re: Who can help me? (Instabilty of Evaluation)
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- Subject: [mg26879] Re: [mg26778] Who can help me? (Instabilty of Evaluation)
- From: Roland Franzius <Roland.Franzius at uos.de>
- Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2001 01:27:24 -0500 (EST)
- Organization: Universitaet Osnabrueck
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Hi again I was a bit confused when I recognized to be the unique poster with a different result. But now, I think I am right. Otherwise I will take a lesson in approximations. Lets do it again: In: f[x_] := -17808196677858180 x + 138982864440593250 x^2 - 527304830550920588 x^3 + 1301702220253454898 x^4 - 2358155595920193382 x^5 + 3347791850698681436 x^6 - 3878279506351645237 x^7 + 3764566420106299695 x^8 - 3117324712750504866 x^9 + 2229873533973727384 x^10 - 1390372935143028255 x^11 + 760794705528035032 x^12 - 367240961907017721 x^13 + 157018216115380477 x^14 - 59650776196609992 x^15 + 20179153653354540 x^16 - 6086251542996201 x^17 + 1637007669992780 x^18 - 392300104078670 x^19 + 83589038962550 x^20 - 15782712151030 x^21 + 2628070696678 x^22 - 383466859804 x^23 + 48618908986 x^24 - 5298021900 x^25 + 489095520 x^26 - 37516324 x^27 + 2327268 x^28 - 112200 x^29 + 3945 x^30 - 90 x^31 + x^32; Argument is half angle Cos In: y = 2 + 2 Cos[Pi/7]; z = 4 Cos[Pi/14]^2; y - z // Simplify Out: 0 This looks much more promising In: Coeff=CoefficientList[f[4 x], x] Out: {0, -71232786711432720, 2223725831049492000, \ -33747509155258917632, 333235768384884453888, \ -2414751330222278023168, 13712555420461799161856, \ -63541731432065355563008, 246714624908086456811520, \ -817187969499268347592704, 2338191870760035165405184, \ -5831646763362143982059520, 12764017106300237787430912, \ -24645123767847232884178944, 42149256443238706956992512, \ -64049533236363795426705408, 86668805002116669993123840, \ -104561005329592884588969984, 112494310494722410497966080, \ -107834631503058167115284480, 91907120293944836803788800, \ -69413102111596198620037120, 46233508633837346171650048, \ -26984081358159822356217856, 13685006274531853720354816, \ -5965042363660181805465600, 2202690401620578973777920, \ -675834011146843183906816, 167697332761460471758848, \ -32339448204222057676800, 4548275335674011320320, \ -415051741658464911360, 18446744073709551616} In: FactorInteger[Coeff[[-1]], GaussianIntegers -> True] Out: {{1 + I, 128}} In: ww = TrigFactor[f[ 4 Cos[Pi/14]^2]] Out: -3*(-1)^(3/7)*(-I + (-1)^(1/14))^2*(I + (-1)^(1/14))^2* (-I + (-1)^(1/7))*(I + (-1)^(1/7))*(1 - (-1)^(1/14) + (-1)^(1/7))*(1 + (-1)^(1/14) + (-1)^(1/7))* (-1 + (-1)^(1/7) - (-1)^(4/7))*(-1 + (-1)^(1/7) + (-1)^(4/7))* (144028488250734 - 143014322039070*(-1)^(1/7) + 140735512734731*(-1)^(2/7) - 138908051041337*(-1)^(3/7) + 138908051041337*(-1)^(4/7) - 140735512734731*(-1)^(5/7) + 143014322039070*(-1)^(6/7)) In: N[ww] Out: 156012. - 0.360791 I In: N[ww, 100] Out: 156010.480152622649895682270126021905222214727164022359842011452550020304833769506087\ 975757897182836878984012952`100 -0*^-137 I So this will be a simple Fourier sum In: qq1 = (f[4 Cos[Pi/14]^2] // TrigToExp) // ExpToTrig Out: -4210946951736 + 189057241621814*Cos[Pi/7] - 128092274251632*Cos[(2*Pi)/7] + 42260253935594*Cos[(3*Pi)/7] + 49848112491644*Cos[(4*Pi)/7] - 129966324569880*Cos[(5*Pi)/7] + 183806279699252*Cos[(6*Pi)/7] In: N[qq1, 100] Out: 156010.48015262264989568227012602190522221472716402235984201145255002030483376\ 95060879757578971828369 Now Cos[n Pi/7]= -Cos[ (7-n)Pi/7] making two cancellations. This gives unexpectedly In: (f[2 + 2Cos[Pi/7]] // TrigToExp) // ExpToTrig//FullSimplify Out: Root[-15098642952733854197440281 + 94480339550807903553 #1 + 14738314331076 #1^2 + #1^3 &, 3] oops? In: N[Solve[-15098642952733854197440281+ 94480339550807903553 x + 14738314331076 x^2 + x^3 == 0, x], 50]) Out: {{x -> 156010.480152622649895682270126021905222214727164022359842\ 01145162732`50 + 2.08821`0*^-100*I}, {x -> -1.473830792054766224316657196353304219511536013659192473\ 68303829106`50*^13 + 8.33719`0*^-47*I}, {x -> -6.566538817909456077932149227930906545085622802427191825\ 309514007`50*^6 + -6.214281`0*^-90*I}} If you want to plot the function f on a logarithmic scale, take the following expression one in order to convert numbers to rationals before Evaluation in all places Plot[ ArcSinh@ f[N[Rationalize[x, 10^-50] + 2 + 2 Rationalize[Cos[Rationalize[Pi, 10^-50]/7], 10^-50], 50]], {x, -1, 1} ] However, you have to trust the rational approximations Mathematica does internally while expanding the Cos and Pi Regards Roland Jacqueline Zizi wrote: > > Thanks to everybody that answers me. Tomas Garza points out very deep important > facts (from my intuitive point of view). > > The Tomas Garza property (see below) looks indeed very important and might > help to solve an old well known open problem in this field. > > Here is now some explanations about this polynomial. Coloring a graph G with > n-vertices means coloring the vertices such as deux vertices linked can't take > the same color. The function x colors -> number of ways of coloring G with x > colors, is shown to be a polynomial and it is called the chromatic polynomial > of G. Notation p(x). For example for a complete graph p(x)= x(x-1)... (x-n+1). > > The 4th- color problem is: the chromatic polynomial of every planar graph has > an integer value X less or equal 4, such that p(X)>0. For non planar graphs, > this first value such that p(X) >0 can be higher. For example for a complete > graph this number is n; Notice that indeed in this special case, for 1 to n-1 > it is 0. > > There is 2 well known ways for prooving of the 4th-color problem. The one done > and the other one by chromatic polynomials. People gave up facing large > polynomials and the NP-Hard difficulty of computing the polynomials. > Nevertheless, properties of these invariants and some more general invariants > generalizations of it are promising in different areas. > > Now one interesting graph configuration for lots of confluent reasons from > different areas (group's theory, chemistry for example), is the truncated > icosahedron. Hall and his students took more than 15 years to find the > corresponding chromatic polynomial. This is our beast. > > If still reading this, notice that there is a more important fact : this Tomas > Garza property is also true, in more general situations. Indeed I'm just > looking at this and if we believe Mathematica, this is glorious! > > ................................................. > > Nevertheless my main questions remains: > > 1) How could I check the results given by Mathematica? > > 2) If people trust the proof of the 4th color problem, why should not they > trust this too? > > 3) Is there a mean to proove that in a mathematical way? > > Jacqueline Zizi > > Tomas Garza wrote: > > > Further comments to my previous message. Other than the numerical problem, I > > found an interesting (or so it seems to me) fact. I haven't the faintest > > idea what your original problem is about, but the polynomial has the > > property that if you take the first j terms, then its numerical value for > > x-> 2 + 2 Cos [2 Pi / 7] is the negative of the numerical value of the last > > 32 - j terms for that same x, for j = 1 to 31. -- Roland Franzius +++ exactly <<n>> lines of this message have value <<FALSE>> +++