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  • Subject: [mg37192] FW: [mg37176] Re: Newbie mathematica question
  • From: Blimbaum Jerry DLPC <BlimbaumJE at>
  • Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 14:25:21 -0400 (EDT)
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Allan, I would like to add something to this , something which duzznt deal
with the question directly but with the answer...since I've seen it many
times on the mathgroup forum, I feel i'd like to make a philosophical
comment here...when I look at the reply and the solution , which might be
perfectly good, but it makes me wonder...of what value is it to a
"Newbie"????......quite often I seen questions posted  "Who can do this or
that the fastest?"....How about  "who can come up with a solution that is
the easiest to comprehend?"....Allan, I realize that you are an advanced
user, etc..and that you think along these lines...but for me, and perhaps
many others, I cant think along these lines even though I have read
mathgroup for many years now...with that said, naturally i'm quite thankful
to the 'gurus' who provide answers....

jerry blimbaum  NSWC panama city, fl

-----Original Message-----
From: Allan Hayes [mailto:hay at]
To: mathgroup at
Subject: [mg37192] [mg37176] Re: Newbie mathematica question

[My previous reply seems to have gone astray - at least it has not come back
to me.
Here is a slightly edited repeat]

You have computed

  f[t_] = {t + Sqrt[3] Sin[t], 2 Cos[t], t Sqrt[3] - Sin[t]};

and then found


        {1 + Sqrt[3]*Cos[#1], -2*Sin[#1], Sqrt[3] - Cos[#1]} &

To get the function for the norm of the derivative we can use

    norm = Evaluate/@(Simplify/@(Sqrt[#.#]&/@(f')))

        2*Sqrt[2] &

We map the usual functions for calclulating and  simplifying the norm inside
Function[.] (which is the full form of  (.)& and then map the function
Evaluation to make the result evaluate -- this is needed since Function has
the attribute HoldAll.
Please note that the parentheses are essential.


Allan Hayes
Mathematica Training and Consulting
Leicester UK
hay at
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"Anonymous" <not at> wrote in message news:ao3app$n2d$1 at
> Hi, I have defined a function from R -> R^3 as follows:
> f[t_] = {t + Sqrt[3] Sin[t], 2 Cos[t], t Sqrt[3] - Sin[t]}
> So It's basically a vector whose coordinates are determined based on the
> values you pass in.
> Then I took the derivative by just typing f', which outputs
> {1 + Sqrt[3] Cos[#1], -2 Sin[#1], Sqrt[3] - Cos[#1]}&
> What I'd like to do is have Mathematica calculate the norm of this as it
> would any vector, so that I can play with the norm function.  As it turns
> out, the norm in this case is identical to Sqrt[8], so it would be nice if
> Mathematica could figure that out.  Is it possible to do this?
> Thanks

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