Re: Re: Which editor do you use for math articles

*To*: mathgroup at smc.vnet.net*Subject*: [mg95520] Re: [mg95426] Re: Which editor do you use for math articles*From*: Murray Eisenberg <murray at math.umass.edu>*Date*: Tue, 20 Jan 2009 05:50:24 -0500 (EST)*Organization*: Mathematics & Statistics, Univ. of Mass./Amherst*References*: <200901161109.GAA14132@smc.vnet.net> <200901171027.FAA14287@smc.vnet.net> <op.unw1jsv7tgfoz2@bobbys-imac.local> <200901181031.FAA13919@smc.vnet.net> <op.uny2v0v0tgfoz2@bobbys-imac.local> <4973AD96.4090909@math.umass.edu> <op.unzpiovktgfoz2@bobbys-imac.local>*Reply-to*: murray at math.umass.edu

TeX is NOT a version of HTML. Like HTML, though, it is a mark-up language; but this mark-up languages emphasizes especially logical mark-up (with the details as to how things should actually look handled by the relevant macros and packages that designers have created). For example (when using LaTeX): \documentclass{article} says to typeset the document in the "article" style (as opposed to the book style, e.g.). \section{The first big thing} creates a numbered section header, with an appropriately larger and (perhaps) bolded title "The first big thing", places appropriate spacing before and after the title, and creates a corresponding entry in a table of contents (in case one includes a command to include the contents). this is a \emph{really} big idea is typeset so as to put the word "really" (by default) in italics. \begin{equation} \int_0^{\infty} e^{-t^2}\,dt = \frac{\sqrt{\pi}}{2} \end{equation} creates a sequentially-numbered, centered equation displayed on a separate line saying the same thing as what the Mathematica front end renders as the value of: HoldForm[Integrate[Exp[-t^2], {t,0,\[Infinity]}]==Sqrt[\[Pi]]/2] LaTeX automatically justifies lines (including automatically hyphenating) and balancing lines on pages much the way a professional typesetter would do. To say more than this would go WAY beyond the proper topic of this newsgroup! Please take a look at the examples linked from he URLs I provided in my early posting. DrMajorBob wrote: > What I find odd is using a text editor for this. > > Is TeX a version of HTML, then? > > Bobby > > On Sun, 18 Jan 2009 16:30:46 -0600, Murray Eisenberg > <murray at math.umass.edu> wrote: > >> What you say is both true and non-true! A commercial package such as >> PC TeX is a single application that includes the editor, previewer, etc. >> >> On the other hand, the origin of TeX is in the *nix world, so the >> paradigm persists of a separate tool for each task: a text editor; >> the executable TeX engine itself; and a previewer (from which one >> often does the printing). The TeX engine may itself have a version >> that produces pdf directly, or one may use a separate tool in the >> bundle that converts the the standard TeX device-independent output >> .dvi file into pdf. >> >> The TeX engine is the analog of Mathematica's kernel; the editor and >> previewer together form the analog of Mathematica's front end; and the >> various TeX/LaTeX packages are analogs of specialized Mathematical >> packages. >> >> With contemporary distributions, however, the separation into the >> different tools is largely transparent to the user. The front-end >> editor is, in a sense, the application, and you don't really have to >> care what executable or batch file is doing what. >> >> About fonts: producing a high-quality font family that includes all >> the necessary fonts for mathematics is no mean feat. That was a reason >> that Donald Knuth originally designed TeX, because so many journal >> articles looked plain ugly as they tried to mix and match symbols with >> letters. And among symbols I include upper & lower-case Greek, both >> upright and slanted, Cyrillic, "blackboard bold", Hebrew (for set >> theory's Aleph, e.g.) >> >> The standard, default set of fonts is Computer Modern, which looks >> great on-screen but can seem a bit spindly in print. Many folks who >> are producing technical documents with mathematical symbols want a >> different choice, and that's why the two most popular alternatives -- >> Times with MathTimes and Lucida with Lucida Math -- were developed. >> To use those, instead of Computer Modern, one simply includes a line >> or two of code in the document to load some packages; then, provided >> you have the underlying fonts, everything works transparently; you do >> have many options available that you can set for these fonts though, >> and some even for Computer Modern, e.g., just what font to use for >> script. >> >> (TeX is is used for many purposes far from math and science, and there >> are fonts and supporting packages available for a huge number of world >> languages.) >> >> It is NOT difficult at all to getting a working TeX system: my >> TeX-naive Math 370 students all managed to do it in short order. >> >> But just like using Mathematica effectively takes some learning >> effort, so using LaTeX effectively does, too. >> >> DrMajorBob wrote: >>> Judging from your links, there IS no application that creates, edits, >>> and maintains LaTex (and displays it; I forgot that part). >>> It takes at least four different pieces of software? And dozens of >>> extra, optional pieces? For one task? >>> And you sometimes use a different package because it handles certain >>> fonts, but the other package doesn't? >>> Wow! That sounds like quite a briar patch you're suggesting. >>> Anyway, www.tug.org/mactex/ isn't loading, and THAT'S not encouraging. >>> I initially used TeX for early versions of my dissertation back in >>> 1987-1989, but the writing went on hiatus when I was assigned to the >>> Pentagon, dissertation unfinished. (Dr. Klingman, my adviser, was >>> dying of brain cancer at the time, though I don't offer that as an >>> excuse.) When I took up the struggle again in 1992, I used Word and >>> its Equation Editor (later adding MathEdit because Equation Editor >>> was only its stunted younger brother). It was a MUCH better >>> experience than what I'd gone through with TeX, although I suppose >>> TeX had improved in the meantime as well. Sadly, it was not long >>> after finishing the dissertation that Word would no longer display >>> the equations properly. (A year or two?) >>> Still, my MS Thesis was accomplished (1983) with rub-off templates >>> for equation symbols, so it was a very significant progression from >>> that, to 1988 TeX, to 1992 MathEdit. >>> Oh, and let's not forget the Wang workstations I used, 1984-1986, >>> which handled equations better than anything I've seen since... until >>> Mathematica. >>> Another poster suggested LyX, and it "looks" very promising (though >>> looks can be deceiving). It seems to do everything at once. >>> Bobby >>> On Sun, 18 Jan 2009 04:31:52 -0600, Murray Eisenberg >>> <murray at math.umass.edu> wrote: >>> >>>> There are several distributions of TeX, which include the LaTeX macro >>>> package along with scads of other packages that modify the default >>>> behavior of, or add new functionality to, LaTeX. Some of these >>>> distributions, except for Linux, include a "front end" editor that >>>> integrates into the input -> dvi (or pdf) viewer -> print chain. >>>> >>>> For some recommendations, see the menu item "About Math 370" at: >>>> >>>> http://bcrc.bio.umass.edu/courses/fall2008/math/math370/ >>>> >>>> And you may be interested in the items under "LaTeX resources" at >>>> that site. >>>> >>>> For a more complete listing of TeX/LaTeX distributions >>>> >>>> http://www.latex-project.org/ftp.html >>>> >>>> and the links there. >>>> >>>> There are both free and commercial distributions. >>>> >>>> For an easy-to-install Windows distribution that includes a front end >>>> editor, I recommend ProTeXt. Personally I most often use the free >>>> MiKTeX >>>> distribution (which is part of ProTeXt) together with the low-cost >>>> front >>>> end editor WinEdt (which is more powerful than the editor that comes >>>> with ProTeXt but is more complicated to configure). Sometimes I use the >>>> nicely integrated, commercial PCTeX system (www.pctex.com) just because >>>> some of the LaTeX packages it includes make it much easier to use the >>>> non-default Lucida fonts or the MathTime Pro fonts. >>>> >>>> >>>> DrMajorBob wrote: >>>>> What application creates, edits, and maintains LaTex? >>>>> >>>>> Sign me curious, >>>>> Bobby >>>>> >>>>> On Sat, 17 Jan 2009 04:27:37 -0600, Murray Eisenberg >>>>> <murray at math.umass.edu> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> If you want an interactive document, then there's little, if >>>>>> anything, >>>>>> that can touch Mathematica. >>>>>> >>>>>> If you want a more-or-less static document, then the gold standard in >>>>>> the mathematical community, and in a good part of the scientific >>>>>> community, is LaTeX. You can include any Mathematica-produced graphic >>>>>> there by exporting it as EPS. >>>>>> >>>>>> And LaTeX documents today typically wind up as PDF, with embedded >>>>>> hyperlinks and even animation and some interactive effects. >>>>>> >>>>>> TL wrote: >>>>>>> Although Mathematica 7 is a very powerful peace of software as >>>>>>> far as >>>>>>> the computational part goes it turns out to be quite limited and >>>>>>> unstable when it comes to word editing and processing, despite the >>>>>>> claims in the help that it is almost as powerful as WinWord. >>>>>>> For example it crashed multiple times on me while I was trying to >>>>>>> setup >>>>>>> the right fonts and sizes, as a result I lost all my work several >>>>>>> times, it also messed up my fonts, sizes, styles, settings for the >>>>>>> equations, its undo is totally useless and I couldn't figure out >>>>>>> how to >>>>>>> format a text and a graphic in two or more columns and display >>>>>>> them side >>>>>>> by side in a notebook as well as how to control what goes on what >>>>>>> page >>>>>>> and while printing to PDF often it wouldn't print all pages, but >>>>>>> just >>>>>>> the first 2-3. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> All that said I'm wondering what program to use to write my work >>>>>>> in, and >>>>>>> I'm asking for advice - is WinWord any better when it comes to >>>>>>> handling >>>>>>> equations? >>>>>>> Any other choices? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> What is the best way to export Mathematica 7 equations and graphics? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>> >> > > > -- Murray Eisenberg murray at math.umass.edu Mathematics & Statistics Dept. 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**References**:**Which editor do you use for math articles***From:*TL <latev@shaw.ca>

**Re: Which editor do you use for math articles***From:*Murray Eisenberg <murray@math.umass.edu>

**Re: Which editor do you use for math articles***From:*Murray Eisenberg <murray@math.umass.edu>