Re: Printing Mathematica Notebooks and WYSIWYG
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- Subject: [mg123820] Re: Printing Mathematica Notebooks and WYSIWYG
- From: David Reiss <dbreiss at gmail.com>
- Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2011 06:53:36 -0500 (EST)
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On Dec 20, 3:01 am, Armand Tamzarian <mike.honeychu... at gmail.com>
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> On Dec 19, 11:25 pm, David Reiss <dbre... at gmail.com> wrote:
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> > On Dec 17, 2:48 am, Armand Tamzarian <mike.honeychu... at gmail.com>
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> > > On Dec 16, 9:52 pm, Gregory Lypny <gregory.ly... at videotron.ca> wrote:
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> > > > Hi Murray,
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> > > > Thank you for responding. Not sure how to do that. When I call up the
> > > > stylesheet for a notebook, the styles apparently pertain to the working
> > > > environment. There does not seem to be any option to see the styles for
> > > > printout. A notebook's default font for text cells is Times 12-point
> > > > in the working environment. If I switch to the printout environment,
> > > > the text cell font is Times 13.5 point, but that has no effect on
> > > > printing, where it appears to print as 9 or 10 point. I also opened the
> > > > Option Inspector and searched for options with the word print, but
> > > > nothing resembles one that would cause Mathematica to print in the
> > > > apparent font size.
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> > > > Regards,
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> > > > Gregory
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> > > > On Thu, Dec 15, 2011, at 6:50 AM, Murray Eisenberg wrote:
> > > > > The Printout environment is different from the viewing environments
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> > > > (Working, Presentation,...). You may want to edit the style sheet and
> > > > change the settings for the Printout environment there to suit your
> > > > needs.
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> > > For some reason the default magnification for the "Printout" style is
> > > 0.72. Therefore a 12 point font would look like a 9 point font when
> > > printed.
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> > > To change the Printout style you could edit the stylesheet and create
> > > a new input cell and select the cell bracket and then go Cell > Show
> > > Expression from the menu and paste in this:
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> > > Cell[StyleData[All, "Printout"],
> > > Magnification->1]
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> > > then do Cell > Show Expression again.
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> > > Alternatively you could set the print magnification locally in your
> > > notebook with this:
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> > > SetOptions[EvaluationNotebook[],
> > > StyleDefinitions ->
> > > Notebook[{Cell[StyleData[StyleDefinitions -> "Default.nb"]],
> > > Cell[StyleData[All, "Printout"], Magnification -> 1]}]]
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> > > Mike
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> > I have always been puzzled by this design choice by WRI. If one sets a
> > font size to be 12 point, it should be designed to print as 12 point.
> > Of course, these days, what appears on a screen (as compared to print)
> > is all over the map because the dot pitches of screens are all over
> > the map. Because of this, wisywig is no longer true wisywig when
> > going from screen to print. But, so long as one specifies a print
> > terminology such as "12 point" for a font (as opposed to "large",
> > "small", etc, which are subject to interpretation by a rendering
> > engine for a particular device), then 12 point should *print* as 12
> > point in my opinion.
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> I couldn't agree more.
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> > Note that the magnification for the Printout environment is 0.72 in
> > default.nb while it is 0.8 in Core.nb (so Default.nb overrides Core.nb
> > due to the inheritance hierarchy). Also note that the
> > PrintoutEnviornment value for the font size in the "Text" style for
> > Default.nb is 13.5. So what one sees on the screen when in a the
> > printout environment in a Text cell is 13.5 * 0.72 9.72 points as it
> > appears at the dot pitch of your screen. The 13.5 point size for Text
> > cells does not apply for, for example, the Book/Textbook stylesheet.
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> > Okay, so what can we learn from this? I am not sure if there is a
> > ptolemaic system of backward compatibility adjustments going on here
> > in the stylesheets or whether there is a clear, but complex design
> > model. it would be nice to see the clear explanation.
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> As I wrote to someone who emailed me today, it beggars belief that
> this could be so complex if Mathematica is genuinely intended to be a useful
> tool for making print ready documents -- or even a useful tool for
> print, period.
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> > By the way, I generally keep things set up so that, when I print, it
> > does not automatically use the Printout environment, but rather it
> > uses the Working environment...
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> I'd differ here. I think there are distinct advantages in having two
> environments. It is just the complexities associated with setting up a
> true print style that are frustrating.
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> Mike
Actually, just to be clear, I do this because of the issues under
discussion in this thread with the Printout ScreenEnviornment. So, I
agree with you!
I choose the Printout ScreenEnviornment for printing at times, but
for general printing as I am working I reset things sot that what
prints is what I am seeing on the screen.
--David
- References:
- Printing Mathematica Notebooks and WYSIWYG
- From: Gregory Lypny <gregory.lypny@videotron.ca>
- Printing Mathematica Notebooks and WYSIWYG