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*Subject*: [mg95470] Re: [mg95426] Re: Which editor do you use for math articles
*From*: DrMajorBob <btreat1 at austin.rr.com>
*Date*: Mon, 19 Jan 2009 02:59:43 -0500 (EST)
*References*: <200901161109.GAA14132@smc.vnet.net>
*Reply-to*: drmajorbob at longhorns.com
What I find odd is using a text editor for this.
Is TeX a version of HTML, then?
Bobby
On Sun, 18 Jan 2009 16:30:46 -0600, Murray Eisenberg
<murray at math.umass.edu> wrote:
> What you say is both true and non-true! A commercial package such as PC
> TeX is a single application that includes the editor, previewer, etc.
>
> On the other hand, the origin of TeX is in the *nix world, so the
> paradigm persists of a separate tool for each task: a text editor; the
> executable TeX engine itself; and a previewer (from which one often does
> the printing). The TeX engine may itself have a version that produces
> pdf directly, or one may use a separate tool in the bundle that converts
> the the standard TeX device-independent output .dvi file into pdf.
>
> The TeX engine is the analog of Mathematica's kernel; the editor and
> previewer together form the analog of Mathematica's front end; and the
> various TeX/LaTeX packages are analogs of specialized Mathematical
> packages.
>
> With contemporary distributions, however, the separation into the
> different tools is largely transparent to the user. The front-end editor
> is, in a sense, the application, and you don't really have to care what
> executable or batch file is doing what.
>
> About fonts: producing a high-quality font family that includes all the
> necessary fonts for mathematics is no mean feat. That was a reason that
> Donald Knuth originally designed TeX, because so many journal articles
> looked plain ugly as they tried to mix and match symbols with letters.
> And among symbols I include upper & lower-case Greek, both upright and
> slanted, Cyrillic, "blackboard bold", Hebrew (for set theory's Aleph,
> e.g.)
>
> The standard, default set of fonts is Computer Modern, which looks great
> on-screen but can seem a bit spindly in print. Many folks who are
> producing technical documents with mathematical symbols want a different
> choice, and that's why the two most popular alternatives -- Times with
> MathTimes and Lucida with Lucida Math -- were developed. To use those,
> instead of Computer Modern, one simply includes a line or two of code in
> the document to load some packages; then, provided you have the
> underlying fonts, everything works transparently; you do have many
> options available that you can set for these fonts though, and some even
> for Computer Modern, e.g., just what font to use for script.
>
> (TeX is is used for many purposes far from math and science, and there
> are fonts and supporting packages available for a huge number of world
> languages.)
>
> It is NOT difficult at all to getting a working TeX system: my TeX-naive
> Math 370 students all managed to do it in short order.
>
> But just like using Mathematica effectively takes some learning effort,
> so using LaTeX effectively does, too.
>
> DrMajorBob wrote:
>> Judging from your links, there IS no application that creates, edits,
>> and maintains LaTex (and displays it; I forgot that part).
>> It takes at least four different pieces of software? And dozens of
>> extra, optional pieces? For one task?
>> And you sometimes use a different package because it handles certain
>> fonts, but the other package doesn't?
>> Wow! That sounds like quite a briar patch you're suggesting.
>> Anyway, www.tug.org/mactex/ isn't loading, and THAT'S not encouraging.
>> I initially used TeX for early versions of my dissertation back in
>> 1987-1989, but the writing went on hiatus when I was assigned to the
>> Pentagon, dissertation unfinished. (Dr. Klingman, my adviser, was dying
>> of brain cancer at the time, though I don't offer that as an excuse.)
>> When I took up the struggle again in 1992, I used Word and its Equation
>> Editor (later adding MathEdit because Equation Editor was only its
>> stunted younger brother). It was a MUCH better experience than what I'd
>> gone through with TeX, although I suppose TeX had improved in the
>> meantime as well. Sadly, it was not long after finishing the
>> dissertation that Word would no longer display the equations properly.
>> (A year or two?)
>> Still, my MS Thesis was accomplished (1983) with rub-off templates for
>> equation symbols, so it was a very significant progression from that,
>> to 1988 TeX, to 1992 MathEdit.
>> Oh, and let's not forget the Wang workstations I used, 1984-1986,
>> which handled equations better than anything I've seen since... until
>> Mathematica.
>> Another poster suggested LyX, and it "looks" very promising (though
>> looks can be deceiving). It seems to do everything at once.
>> Bobby
>> On Sun, 18 Jan 2009 04:31:52 -0600, Murray Eisenberg
>> <murray at math.umass.edu> wrote:
>>
>>> There are several distributions of TeX, which include the LaTeX macro
>>> package along with scads of other packages that modify the default
>>> behavior of, or add new functionality to, LaTeX. Some of these
>>> distributions, except for Linux, include a "front end" editor that
>>> integrates into the input -> dvi (or pdf) viewer -> print chain.
>>>
>>> For some recommendations, see the menu item "About Math 370" at:
>>>
>>> http://bcrc.bio.umass.edu/courses/fall2008/math/math370/
>>>
>>> And you may be interested in the items under "LaTeX resources" at that
>>> site.
>>>
>>> For a more complete listing of TeX/LaTeX distributions
>>>
>>> http://www.latex-project.org/ftp.html
>>>
>>> and the links there.
>>>
>>> There are both free and commercial distributions.
>>>
>>> For an easy-to-install Windows distribution that includes a front end
>>> editor, I recommend ProTeXt. Personally I most often use the free
>>> MiKTeX
>>> distribution (which is part of ProTeXt) together with the low-cost
>>> front
>>> end editor WinEdt (which is more powerful than the editor that comes
>>> with ProTeXt but is more complicated to configure). Sometimes I use the
>>> nicely integrated, commercial PCTeX system (www.pctex.com) just because
>>> some of the LaTeX packages it includes make it much easier to use the
>>> non-default Lucida fonts or the MathTime Pro fonts.
>>>
>>>
>>> DrMajorBob wrote:
>>>> What application creates, edits, and maintains LaTex?
>>>>
>>>> Sign me curious,
>>>> Bobby
>>>>
>>>> On Sat, 17 Jan 2009 04:27:37 -0600, Murray Eisenberg
>>>> <murray at math.umass.edu> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> If you want an interactive document, then there's little, if
>>>>> anything,
>>>>> that can touch Mathematica.
>>>>>
>>>>> If you want a more-or-less static document, then the gold standard in
>>>>> the mathematical community, and in a good part of the scientific
>>>>> community, is LaTeX. You can include any Mathematica-produced graphic
>>>>> there by exporting it as EPS.
>>>>>
>>>>> And LaTeX documents today typically wind up as PDF, with embedded
>>>>> hyperlinks and even animation and some interactive effects.
>>>>>
>>>>> TL wrote:
>>>>>> Although Mathematica 7 is a very powerful peace of software as far
>>>>>> as
>>>>>> the computational part goes it turns out to be quite limited and
>>>>>> unstable when it comes to word editing and processing, despite the
>>>>>> claims in the help that it is almost as powerful as WinWord.
>>>>>> For example it crashed multiple times on me while I was trying to
>>>>>> setup
>>>>>> the right fonts and sizes, as a result I lost all my work several
>>>>>> times, it also messed up my fonts, sizes, styles, settings for the
>>>>>> equations, its undo is totally useless and I couldn't figure out
>>>>>> how to
>>>>>> format a text and a graphic in two or more columns and display them
>>>>>> side
>>>>>> by side in a notebook as well as how to control what goes on what
>>>>>> page
>>>>>> and while printing to PDF often it wouldn't print all pages, but
>>>>>> just
>>>>>> the first 2-3.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> All that said I'm wondering what program to use to write my work
>>>>>> in, and
>>>>>> I'm asking for advice - is WinWord any better when it comes to
>>>>>> handling
>>>>>> equations?
>>>>>> Any other choices?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> What is the best way to export Mathematica 7 equations and graphics?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>
--
DrMajorBob at longhorns.com
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